BooksOnBoard is not on board
This past weekend I tried a new vendor of electronic books: BooksOnBoard. I found the store in the Stanza app on my iPad, which so far I believe is the best ereader software available. Stanza includes in-app links to several sources of electronic books, and BooksOnBoard is the first choice listed.
My first impression of BooksOnBoard is not favorable.
Creating an account was simple and quick. BooksOnBoard takes PayPal, which was a requirement this weekend since some of my money was tied up being transferred from my PayPal account to my bank. Accepting PayPal was a critical factor in my decision. Though usually I use a credit card for this sort of purchase, I appreciate the choice.
However, when I tried to download the book I paid for it fails every time. Inside Stanza, an error not listed in BooksOnBoard’s help section appears: «Failed to download and import ‘Download’: unsupported URL.» I hoped that at least I could download the book in a desktop browser, then install the book manually. But no. The «download» button on my bookshelf on the downloads an XML called «Download.acsm»the file extension I believe means Adobe Content Server Message but considering the circumstances I notice that it is an anagram of the word scam.
An attempt to use BooksOnBoard’s customer support system revealed that they limit their support requests to 800 characters. I appreciate brevity as much as the next guy, but really: if a customer is trying to explain what it is he or she is dissatisfied with, telling the customer to shut up in the middle of typing the grievance is stupidly customer-unfriendly.
The response that came from BooksOnBoard indicates that although they used to distribute books that worked with Stanza, that instead they have converted everything over to work only with the Bluefire reader. The only option for reading a book from BooksOnBoard is supposedly an iPhone/iPad/iTouch-only software package that was released less than two months ago.
It’s doubtful that is true, but it is BooksOnBoard’s official line. I don’t really have any interest in installing Bluefire; I didn’t choose BooksOnBoard just to get tied to a single reader software. If I can’t read on any device I want, I may as well buy Kindle books.
Bluefire Reader’s own literature tosses around words like «openness» and «freedom». It’s not fair to blame Bluefire for BooksOnBoard trying to force its customers into a single solution. Bluefire appears to be a reader for ePub and PDF files with Adobe DRM. Their website says they support those formats because people should be able to move their documents from device to device. Clearly, failure to support desktop systems, Android devices and other eReaders and smartphones has little to do with Bluefire and everything to do with BooksOnBoard. I know there are readers for Adobe-DRM ePub and PDF files for Macintosh, PC and Android. That BooksOnBoard won’t allow downloading of a purchased book except to Bluefire is reason enough to stay away from them.
BooksOnBoard is Awesome
I now have thousands of dollars worth of graduate school texts and otehr books that I can reference on my iPhone and iPad. I could not do that on anyone’s app or reader until BooksOnBoard made that possible last week. How awesome is that!
While I think I can understand the confusion, many of the statements in Splicers blog are simply incorrect. Ive been a BooksOnBoard customer since they were the first to make eBooks available to buy on iPhones a few years ago. Last week, I switched to Bluefire on my iPhone and iPad. And I remain a happy customer happier than ever because of the new Bluefire option.
Bluefire is NOT a limitation, but an additional choice BooksOnBoard has made available to help get around limits imposed by the publishers and the book industry. BooksOnBoard and Bluefire are both part of the solution, NOT the problem. BooksOnBoard ebooks still work on many other readers.
In a world where we are getting more and more shoved on us by multi-billion dollar companies with big marketing machines, I cant sit still and watch a small independent company that has been so good to me over the years get hurt by incorrect information. The world of multiple eBook formats can get baffling and the path is sometimes very winding, but BooksOnBoard has been a beacon on that path, not an obstacle. They have had the courage to support multiple formats and readers at the risk of confusion among newbies to meet the needs of thousands and thousands of customers like me.
BooksOnBoard may be the only ebook retailer left that offers choice. They are offering solutions to some of the proprietary games other eBook stores play on us to force us to buy from their stores only. BooksOnBoard is almost the only ebook store left that gives the customer choices. Everyone else forces you to use their apps or readers. BooksOnBoards books can be read on many different readers, including both Stanza and Bluefire. Splicer apparently purchased a secure Adobe format book which Stanza owned by Amazon for the last 18 months does not work with. Amazon has limited Stanza so that it doesnt read the industry standard secure Adobe ePUB, probably to force people to go to Kindle. That dramatically limits title selection. BooksOnBoard did not create that problem. Amazon created it along with Barnes and Noble. Amazon purchased Stanza to control a rising competitor to its Kindle plans and Barnes and Noble bought the eReader format used on Stanza at about the same time to control and limit availability of the format to facilitate its own proprietary format which, without extreme technical manipulation, works only on its own Reader software and ebook reading device. Again, BooksOnBoard did not create this problem, but offered me ways to avoid this proprietary trap.
BooksOnBoard, in fact, did me and tens or even hundreds — of thousands like me a HUGE favor in introducing secure Adobe format books on the iPhone and iPad for the first time a week or two ago. I can now read BooksOnBoard ebooks on both Stanza and Bluefire. And there are apparently several hundred thousand more eBooks I can buy for my iPhone and iPad than I could before Bluefire. The limits here are not those of BooksOnBoard, but of the publishers and the formats available.
You can read BooksOnBoard books in Adobe Digital Editions, Stanza, BlueFire, Nook, and more on PCs, Macs, iPhones and iPads. And I do, as do many of my Facebook friends. The blogger here is just wrong in his statements that you cannot. Bluefire is an option for iPhones and iPads that allows for a format that you could not open on these devices before. I have hundreds of eBooks in secure Adobe format that I used for graduate work that were not available in the Stanza eReader format. I have been forced to read these on my desktop because no one had a way for me to read them on either my iPhone or my newer iPad. Now, I am able to read these texts in Bluefire Reader on both iPhone and iPad by simply downloading them from my BooksOnBoard bookshelf. And I can still read them on my laptop in Adobe Digital Editions.
I cannot read these books in Stanza, however, because they are simply not available in the outdated eReader format. (If they were, I could read them in Stanza .) While there is understandable confusion during transition for Stanza users I was among the first the result is a better deal for all of us. Premised on my experience with them, BooksOnBoard and its support team for years, the best in the ebook business will clarify and fix any ongoing issues and confusion. Although they may, in fact, understandably have difficulty working their way through an 800+ word support request which frankly sounds more like it was a manifesto than a support question.
To go back to my opening comment:
I now have thousands of dollars worth of graduate school texts and otehr books that I can reference on my iPhone and iPad. I could not do that on anyone’s app or reader until BooksOnBoard made that possible last week. How awesome is that! Thanks, BooksOnBoard.
My first and last book from BooksOnBoard
I cannot share your enthousiasm.
I searched in Stanza (iPhone) for a book and I found it at BooksOnBoard. I bought it and thought I just had to click the download button. Not at all! That’s not the way it works at BooksOnBoard.
I searched in the BooksOnBoard FAQ and, according to question 11, there was supposed to be a second link if the download button did not work, but there was no other link. I started searching with the help of Google and discovered I was not the only one who thought he would get a book readable with Stanza when he orders from Stanza, but that was not the case. I had to download the Bluefire Reader and then create an Adobe account to finally get access to the book I ordered.
It was a 10$ book, not a big deal, but it was quite frustrating. BooksOnBoard should warn customers coming from the Stanza app that some of their books are not compatible before the order is entered. And I don’t even understand why Stanza accepts to promote libraries, editors and books that force people to use another book reader.
Yep Me too
I am not buying anymore books from BoB, sorry if it takes me 30 minutes and help from customer service just to download the book to my Kobo, I will buy elsewhere.
Please show me I’m wrong
Anne, I’m glad you’ve had a good experience with BooksOnBoard and Bluefire. As I wrote, I don’t have a problem with Bluefire so much as being forced to use it. And after four emails from BooksOnBoard, I still have no instructions for simply downloading the file I want. Even if Adobe Reader format is superior to other formats, BooksOnBoard switched their system over without changing any of their documentation. The documentation provided is for software they don’t use.
Perhaps if they were clear about what they were selling from the start, I would have been happy to try out new reader software. But when their directions say to use Stanza while Bluefire is their only option, they have a serious customer relations problem.
As far as their support request limit, Anne, your above comment is 877 wordsdoes that sound like a manifesto to you? More to the point, BooksOnBoard’s support request limit is not 800 wordsit is 800 characters. That would have gotten you less than the first two paragraphs you wrote here.
If my blog comment software had stopped you from typing in the middle of your second paragraph, would you have been happy about that?
The fact is, that limiting the length of a support request forces support requests to be vague when anyone doing actual customer support needs more specific information. It’s not so much that their are stifling my ability to express myselfthey are making it more difficult for them to help me as a customer.
You further suggest that Bluefire reads ebook formats that Stanza cannot. That is simply not true. Stanza reads the same ebook formats as Bluefire and more; the difference is that Bluefire has the Adobe DRM scheme built in. Yes, Stanza reads eReader format books and yes, that format is quite out of date. It also reads PDFs and ePub documents. Bluefire only reads those same formats. Because the only difference is the DRM scheme, you’re praising BooksOnBoard essentially for what Apple did with iTunes before they eliminated their DRMselling books you can’t read with competitors’ software.
The battle over DRM is not one I want to get into now, but please be clear: BooksOnBoard’s switch to Bluefire did not change the file formats; it only changed the locks on the doors that keep you from using the books you’ve purchased.
As to your claim that you can read BooksOnBoard books on that wide variety of reader software, that may be true for your old books from BooksOnBoard, but new books that BooksOnBoard sells can be read in only two ways: Adobe Digital Editions software and Bluefire. That’s the word directly from BooksOnBoard’s technical support team. If I’d been able to read my book in Stanza, I never would have gotten as far as trying to contact BooksOnBoard’s technical support.
So please. Rather than telling me I’m wrong, show me I’m wrong. Assertions that I am lying to you are worthless.
800 charater limit
Steve,
Our support form does have an 800 charater limit. It is designed to provide customer with a chance to quickly enter the information our support team requires to diagnose their issue. However, customers with a lot to say also have the option to contact us via our support email with no limit to the length of their message. When selecting the support form in our help section, the email and option to forgo the support form displays so that customer may choose if they wish to contact us directly at our support email. I see that you have used the email option twice at least, with no limit to the length of your message. I also see that our support team provided you with instructions and links for the install of the required ADE 1.7 and download of the file you purchased to your Mac. If you require further assistance we are available to help.
The Bluefire Reader App does allow users to read the Secure (DRM) Adobe formats, while Stanza does not allow this. This is a huge benefit to iDevice users who have until Bluefire Reader been prevented from accessing the extensive amount of titles available in the Secure Adobe formats. The use of DRM by publishers is by their choice. Bluefire Reader and BooksOnboard now provide users the choice to access these files via their iDevices, while at the same time continuing to offer the eReader format for our Stanza customers. I have both Apps currently installed on my own iPhone, as do many of our BooksOnBoard customers who are happily on board with BooksOnBoard and the choices we continue to provide them.
BooksOnBoard needs to provide more info…
Simply-put, Steve… When I am sent to BooksOnBoard from Stanza on my IPhone, and I choose a book to purchase from a list they provide based on my search from Stanza, and they allow me to buy that book,…it should either be readable from Stanza, or there should be a gigantic warning in the BooksOnBoard interface telling me that what I’m about to purchase WON’T work on Stanza, and will require me to download a different e‑reader entirely (one that I may not want to use, based on a great deal of the honest-looking feedback and reviews,…as opposed to the large number of reviews that were obviously placed there by panderers…)…
That’s the issue here Steve… It’s about honesty and integrity, and about catering to the customer’s expectations… If I buy a book through Stanza that links to any vendor, that vendor needs to make sure the file works on Stanza, or warns the buyer that it won’t IN ADVANCE.…
Additionally, even though I tried to give Bluefire Reader a chance, it fails to download from the App Store on the IPhone, and when I attempted to do some research to find out why, I begin to see the enormous number of folks having problems with it, describing how it constantly crashes their device, and how its interface is terrible compared to Stanza’s quality and ease of use… This already feels like an app I should stay away from…
I want my money back from the purchase of a book I cannot even access… BooksOnBoard owes me either that, or a download that operates from the app I used to get to your company to purchase it in the first place…
It’s that simple…
Allow me to edit this a bit…
Forgive me,…but the above message should have been addressed to Kurt Johnson (who seems to be affiliated with BooksOnBoard) and not to Steve (who Kurt was talking to)… Please insert “Kurt” anywhere I say “Steve” above… The rest of the message still applies…
Bluefire Reader Stanza BooksOnBoard
Steve, thank you for the opportunity to address some of the misconceptions about BooksOnBoard found in your blog post.
BooksOnBoard, founded 2006 is not a new vendor of eBooks. BooksOnBoard has long been the champion of customers choice, being both device and format agnostic
Stanza is a wonderful App, however many BooksOnBoard customers who use our mobile site report that they are dissatisfied with the limited title selection in the eReader format, and many are not comfortable with the credit card unlock required by the eReader format.
In addition to offering our customers the choice of payment using Paypal and credit/debit cards, BooksOnBoard also offers choice of Google checkout. Additionally BooksOnBoard gift certificates allow a mobile user the choice to create a balance in their account so they may skip quickly to end of checkout and begin reading quickly.
Our Mobile site accessed via iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch does now feature the Secure Adobe formats instead of the eReader and non-DRM epub previously found there
All of our formats, however, including eReader/Stanza, MSReader, Adobe epub and pdf, and Mobipocket remain available to our Stanza users to purchase from our desktop site, and eReader format files will still download from a users BooksOnBoard bookshelf to the iPhone, iPad and Ipod Touch using the Stanza App.
Likewise, our Adobe formats work not only with Bluefire App on iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch, but may also be loaded to the users’ Mac, PC, and numerous ebook reader devices such as Sony, Bookeen, Astak, Nook, BeBook, and all others that support the Secure Adobe formats.
I have reviewed your support emails of yesterday and today.
You identified that the file you purchased via our mobile site would not download into the Stanza App. Our support tech responded that the file was a Secure (DRM) Adobe format and not supported by the Stanza App, they recommended installing the Bluefire App on your device.
You then asked if you would be limited to reading the file using software that exists only on one platform and whether the file could be accessed from PC/Mac and other devices listed on our Help pages. Our support responded that you could in fact access the file on Mac or PC and other devices. And that we do continue to offer additional formats. Which we do continue to offer, providing a format choice for almost any device our customer chooses to read on.
You then asked for instructions for accessing the file on your Mac. Instructions were then provided by our support team for installing the Adobe Digital Editions on your Mac. If you still are unable to access you file on your Mac, or on your iPhone. Please contact our support and they are happy to continue to assist.
Regards,
Kurt Johnson
BooksOnBoard
Notwithstanding…
While I agree that Books on Board were gracious in their response — I have to agree with the original post. I have happily used Stanza on my iPhone for years, and had no idea when I bought a BooksOnBoard book a few minutes ago that it would be unreadable on Stanza. The BooksOnBoard website does not make this clear, at this point. Their help documentation still references Stanza, and nowhere on the purchase pages did it seem to indicate “you will not be able to read this book using Stanza; you will have to download a new app and provide personal contact information to Adobe in order to read this book”. Insufficient warning, in my opinion — because while BooksOnBoard may be a small company, Adobe is not. And I have no wish to give Adobe a great deal of personal information, just so I can access a book I have already paid for. I will not be using Bluefire on my iPhone, nor will I be purchasing further books from BooksOnBoard. I’m incensed and frustrated at losing the 6.99 and tax…but I consider it a small price to pay to keep this particular shred of my dwindling privacy for just that little bit longer.
I hate Bluefire. Brand new
I hate Bluefire. Brand new iPod, just downloaded it and it crashes whenever I open it. What’s the point of it?
booksonboard sucks. there’s
booksonboard sucks. there’s nothing else to say.
800 character Limit
Kurt,
You should mention such option just below the area that Steve mentioned otherwise it would not be a user-friendly system.
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