Now I’m really in trouble
I went with my riding group through some of the twisties in the Santa Cruz mountains. One from the group, Tim, very kindly offered to swap bikes with me so that I could get a taste of what else is out there.
So today for a half-hour that went way too fast (in more ways than one) I got to ride a Ducati Monster 750.
I was already getting the feeling that I might be outgrowing my Virago. This not only confirmed the suspicion, it proved it. I’d feared that a bigger, fiercer bike would be harder to handle and that I’d run into some trouble in the twisties. The opposite was true. After a day full of white-knuckling every turn and feeling I was on the edge of having the Virago go out from under me, I nervously got on the Ducati and, fumbling as I was and unfamiliar with the bike as I was, proceded to slalom through the turns feeling like the tires had as much grip in the lean as on the straightaways.
I thought it was my fault I couldn’t corner. I thought I’d just need to learn to trust the bike. I don’t know whether it’s the higher center of gravity, the weight of the bike, or the power, but suddenly today I was on a bike that I could trust.
One theory is that the Virago’s frame just isn’t very stiff, giving it a feel under stress that it’s not stable. Tim was asked what he thought of the Virago when he got back, and, well, he exercised great tact but it was clear he didn’t have a great time. His description of the ride was almost if he’d read my mind: he said it was really hard to commit to a corner on that bike.
So now I’m convinced beyond any doubt that I should have a bigger motorcycle.
Um. Also, on the straightaways, wow! I broke a buck today for the first time on any vehicle. That’s right, I’d never done that in an automobile on the freeway before. Ever. And today I did it on a little two-laner. It didn’t even feel all that fast, either. That’s the argument against, of course. Some will say that 100mph isn’t much, but it’s beyond my capacity to control at this stage of my learning curve.
If it were just the speed and power question, I might never upgrade from my 250. Feeling safe and confident in the curves, though, that’s priceless.
Don’t commit to a whole new
Don’t commit to a whole new bike without first checking out simple upgrades such as performance tires.
I’d like to second Paul’s
I’d like to second Paul’s remarks, although for the price Yamaha is charging for the bike I would assume they would put decent rubber on it. There is no reason that your bike shouldn’t be handling well. I have been browsing on-line reviews and all of the motorcycle press reports give the Virago excellent handling reviews. (And excellent overall reviews.) Any chance you dialed in too much suspension preload? I’d set it back to factory specs and give it another ride.
Also, with only $0.65 in your account (as per your previous blog) I would not consider adding more debt.
Dad
The tires are pretty much
The tires are pretty much certainly not the problem here. If I understand what Bobby (The Cycle Wizard) is saying, it’s a combination of the center of gravity being so low and the frame being too flexible. This is not something that can be swapped out; it’s pretty much built-in. A frame replacement would cost more than the bike is worth, even if it were possible. And it wouldn’t solve the center-of-gravity issue.
I think it’s just not
I think it’s just not designed to be more than a starter bike. My mechanical genius friend says the tires are fine and that the frame is flexing.
I would think I’d want the suspension tighter, not looser in this case. And it’s not like I’ve taken the suspension out of factory spec, just out from “default setting.” I’ll talk to Bobby about the preload and ask some questions when I’m in class on Wednesday. My understanding of preload is that it doesn’t actually change the performance of the shock, it just keeps it from coming back up as far to prevent the yo-yo effect.
I’ve read a lot of those reviews, too, and almost all of them that I saw compared the Virago to other small cruisers.
And just in case you’re worrying, my checking account balance does not reflect my savings balance. Plus, all my bills are current. So I’m not getting into trouble just yet, just running out of spending money.
When you’re ready to trade
When you’re ready to trade up, start looking here-
http://victorymotorcycles.polarisindustries.com/victory/default.aspx
Oh, I know. I have a
Oh, I know. I have a haunting suspicion that
was created by people who have been spying on me to learn what I’d like.
I’m afraid I’m still being drawn towards the Italian end of the spectrum tho.
I doubt that Arlen Ness has
I doubt that Arlen Ness has been spying on you.
Be drawn all you want, but test drive, and consider how much maintenence and parts will be at the end of the day.
Yeah, although I have a few
Yeah, although I have a few friends that ride Ducatis, and they say that their bikes aren’t temperamental, I’m still not comfortable with the reputation. Maybe if I were a lot more rich or had a lot of experience doing maintenance, but I’m not and I don’t. I believe what they say about new Ducatis being a lot less delicate than even the ones a couple years ago, but I’m not willing to take that chance, even though the ride Sunday was such a sweet experience.
No, I’m thinking Moto Guzzi, and I have been for a little while now. The reputation for reliability is just one of the reasons, but a conspicuous one.
If you want reliability, you
If you want reliability, you want a Japanese bike. I haven’t even seen a Moto Guzzi for decades, and although they did have a reputation for being more reliable than the other Italian bike you are discussing, they never were in the same league with Yamaha, et al.
And handling has never been their forte. Too darn wide to rock and roll.
I am sure they have been improved since I was alive, but I suspect the others have been, as well.
Dad
Then start researching
Then start researching Victory. They’re vitually bullet-proof, inexpensive, and parts are easy to obtain.
Anyway, I’m off for SoCal.
Inexpensive? They start at), and as much respect I have, they’re definitely not the bike for me. I love their looks from afar, but I wouldn’t want to be the guy riding that monumental twin. They’re very showy engines and they scream attitude just sitting there. Am I the kind of guy that screams attitude? I don’t think so. I have a shitty attitude a lot of the time, but I don’t ever have a Bad Attitude.
Inexpensive? They start at $15K! I’m going to move back to the Excelsior just to afford a $10K bike! I’ve been researching Victory for a little while (since pictures of the Hammer appeared in
Part of me wants to buy Victory just because thank God there’s another American motorcycle manufacturer, but that’s not enough reason.
Enjoy SoCal
With victory cycles you get
With victory cycles you get what you pay for. However, you’re looking at the suggested retail price, and not the actual price you end up paying. I picked up my V92C for 12K.
As for V‑twins being an showy engine of attitude, I have to disagree. It’s about the long haul. As I said, test-drive em first. Low end-torque engines tend to suprise the hell out of people who have never been on one.
It’s also something to consider, in the event you break-down and need a replacement part.
-Back from SoCal, obviously. I highly advise you start reading The Patriot Act, as you may start feeling it’s effect shortly.
Oh no, I love V‑Twins. At
Oh no, I love V‑Twins. At this point I wouldn’t own any other configuration. I meant the Victory motors in general. I have no doubt that they have the substance to back up their looks, but their looks are high attitude, high-show, high profile. It would be like riding the Washington Monument around. Those bikes are monumental.
Actually, I have news on this front. More later.
Depends on which model
Depends on which model you’re looking at.
For example, if you’re looking at the 8‑ball or Hammer, then yes.
However, if you’re looking at a v92c/v92cD , then we’re talking function for the long haul.
http://www.danddexhaust.com/images/Victory/v92sonobags.jpg
Is
Is this:
http://victorymotorcycles.polarisindustries.com/victory/features.aspx?ModelID=A7246BF3-3B46-4064 – 8E19-CCB9D5C2E5B8
the new version of that?
Yes, newest model. Check out
Yes, newest model. Check out Ebay. you may be able to pick up a new one straight from an area dealer.
Yeah, I think Scuderia is
Yeah, I think Scuderia is the local Polaris/Victory dealer.
BTW, it’s too late, but I’m not saying so “publicly” because I haven’t called my dad yet and I don’t want my LJ to be the way he finds out. I’ll post pics soon.
Thanks for the phone call.
Thanks for the phone call. It was great to hear from you, but I really don’t mind hearing about things like motorcycles from the blog. Wedding plans, trips back East, accidents, muggings, illnesses, deaths in the family, etc. are things that I like to hear about right away.
Dad